Your preaching convicted him and he began coming here regularly seeking truth and love. 1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to a glory. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. The closest thing Scripture says to there being different levels of heaven is found in 2 Corinthians 12:2, "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven.Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows." The third heaven probably represents the presence of God. I know a man in . And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise â whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows â and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter" (2 Corinthians 12:2-4). He had founded the Church at Corinth. What is the 'third heaven' he mentions, and why wasn't he able to speak of it? St. Paul's journey to the third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2-4) has sometimes been understood as a near death experience (NDE). He was so frustrated with the state of the religious world that he was actually making preparations to move himself and his wife there to assemble. It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. I must go on boasting. The third heaven is referred to as the heaven of heavens: The First Heaven is clearly our sky - Enoch goes there and he can see the sea beneath him. 1 I must go on boasting. 2 Corinthians 12:1-15 NIV. Paradise, or the third heaven, is the place where God is. Your servant in Christ, J Jandacek (2) the starry heavens, the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars appear to be situated. Psalms 78: 23-23 "Yet He had commanded the clouds above, and opened the doors of heaven, had rained down manna on them to eat, and given them of the bread of heaven." The expression doors of heaven or windows of heaven involved the firmament, our atmosphere. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. A New Proposal for Understanding 2 Corinthians 12:1ff Excursus: 2 Corinthians 12:1ff as a Parody of heavenly ascent The narrative of ascent in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and 7b-10 The context for the ascent: 2 Corinthians 10-13 Conclusions Chapter 12General Conclusions Other Translations of 2 Corinthians 12:2 King James Version. In the opening of 2 Corinthians 12, Paul makes a couple of remarks about his spiritual experiences because some have been questioning the adequacy of his authority; i.e., questioning his apostleship. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." Problem: This passage is pressed into service by Evangelicals for the following reasons: Beginning with verse 1, 1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. The Bible specifically refers to the third heaven. 1 I must go on boasting. I've only ever heard of 7th Heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows (2 Corinthians 12:2). But the Bible speaks of but three heavens, and among the Jews in the apostolic ages also the heavens were divided into three: (1) The aerial, including the clouds and the atmosphere, the heavens above us, until we come to the stars. Only the Third Heaven? Paul is caught up to the third heaven—The Lord gives men weaknesses that they may triumph over them—Paul manifests the signs of an Apostle. Paul's Vision and His Thorn. The idea of "the third heaven" is a strange concept to us today that raises all sorts of questions. It is likely that he was speaking of the third heaven in the third person about himself. The third heaven is also called "paradise" in 2 Cor 12:4. In Gen 1.1 'heavens' is a dual form of the word. Chapter 12. Is his journey to the third heaven a near death case, or is it a general out-of-body (OBE) experience that happened to him? When Paul says that he went to the third heaven, he means that he went to the place where God dwells. No doubt it is not seemly for me to boast. . First heaven is the domain of the clouds, birds, air and so forth. "I know a man in Christ": refers to Paul himself, as he speaks in the first person in 2 Corinthians 12:7 The Scripture references for the Third Heaven is II Cor 12:2. 2 Corinthians 12:1-15 NIV. Whether he was in the body or out of the body, I don't know, God knows. His second visit was a brief, painful visit in between the writing of 1 Corinthians and 2 Corinthians. These are heavens 1 and 2 as listed above. For when I am weak, then I am strong."— 2 Corinthians 12 Paul wrote II Corinthians from Macedonia in 55 or 56 AD, roughly a year after writing 1 Corinthians and a year before he wrote his letter to the Romans from Corinth. . In 1836 the Prophet Joseph Smith also had a vision of the celestial kingdom. We don't know. However, paradise had been in the heart of the earth until the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. They will be in the presence of God together. The word 'heaven/heavens" refer to different realms in the Bible. Verse 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago - whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows - such a one was caught up to the third heaven. W. I must go on boasting. The idea of "the third heaven" is a strange concept to us today that raises all sorts of questions. 3 And I know that this . This could not have been just our atmosphere, Job 25:5, states the moon and the stars are not pure in His sight. I will come to b visions and c revelations of the Lord. "The third heaven" mentioned at 2 Corinthians 12:2 is likely the Messianic Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ and the 144,000, the "new heavens." —2 Pet. In 2 Enoch chapter 8 to 10, Enoch is brought to the Third Heaven, half of which is the Garden of Eden - a place prepared for the righteous - and half of which (the Northern half) is literal Hell. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven--whether in the body or out of the . 3 And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. 3 And I knew such a . Second heaven is the stars and planets Third heaven is where God is. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. He had lead them to Christ and was their spiritual father. This heaven is spoken of often in the Old Testament. The closest thing Scripture says to there being different levels of heaven is found in 2 Corinthians 12:2, "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven.Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows." Although there is nothing to gain, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. Now for the third time I am ready to come to you: On his first visit to Corinth, Paul founded the church and stayed a year and six months ( Acts 18:11 ). 2 Corinthians 12:12. Nor is it in the visible confines of outer space—the second heaven. . After Paul went into the third heaven, he was given some sort of affliction (the "thorn" in his flesh) (2 Corinthians 12:7). 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or out of it I do not know, but God knows—… Given Paul's own time frame ("fourteen years ago" - v 2) and the generally accepted date of writing (AD 57), scholars place Paul in Antioch during the earliest days of his time as a Christian. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is . show, in my opinion. A transcript of this video is a. This "third heavens" event that seems to date to this period is described at 2 Corinthians 12:2-5. "I know a man in Christ": refers to Paul himself, as he speaks in the first person in 2 Corinthians 12:7. 2 Corinthians 12:1-10. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows. Verse 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago - whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows - such a one was caught up to the third heaven. He had done signs, wonders, and miracles in their midst as God confirmed his words as an apostle. Heaven is a place of beauty (Rev 21:1-22:7), of life (1Ti 4:8), service (Re 22:3-note), worship (Rev 19:1-note, Re 19:2-note, Re 19:3-note), and glory (2Co 4:17, 18)." It could be a technical description of God's abode above the cloudy heavens overhead and beyond the farthest reaches of space that man can perceive. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. I must go on boasting. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do . Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 Corinthians 12:2 Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 "Caught up to the third heaven . In 2 Corinthians 12:2, Paul refers to himself in the third person when he said, "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago - whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows - such a one was caught up to the third heaven." Seven is the number usually mentioned, but the Testament of Levi (2:7-10; 3:1-4) speaks of three; God himself dwelt in the third of these. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 — The Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 2 I know a man in Christ who was caught up into the third heaven 14 years ago. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. He pleaded with God three times to remove this affliction, but God would not. (ESV) Third heaven? It is useful, in answering your question, to take into consideration the biblical teaching on human nature. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third . (2) the starry heavens, the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars appear to be situated. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. A video supplement to Come, Follow Me, Come, Follow Me Lesson 37: "God Loveth a Cheerful Giver," presented by S. Hales Swift. The Third Heaven. This heaven consisted of sun, moon, and stars. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. The Vision of Paradise. To describe what happened in his vision or revelation of the Lord (2 Cor 12:1), Paul says that he was "snatched up" and went to the "third heaven." Both the language of snatching (arpagenta) and "up to the third heaven" (eos tritou ouranou) describe an upward ascent. In Chapter 1 Paula Gooder discusses the problems of interpreting this text and looks at the major debates of its past interpreters. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Man, this revelation that Paul was talking about must not have been too amazing because 7th Heaven was just an O.K. In 1836 the Prophet Joseph Smith also had a vision of the celestial kingdom. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2 The third Heaven . God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. First heaven is the domain of the clouds, birds, air and so forth. 2 a I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in . 3:13. Jewish intertestamental literature contains much speculation about the number of heavens. (NIrV) (NIrV) Yet, in Eph 4:9 Jesus descended first into the lower parts of the earth for three days and . Jesus promised to the criminal on the cross: "Today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). God created two heavens and one earth. Read full chapter. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. If there is a third heaven, it seems there must also be a first and second heaven. Interestingly, Paul uses the phrase caught up to refer to how he was transported to heaven; it's the same Greek word used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to refer to the rapture of the church. The third heaven was the dwelling place of God (cf Gen 24:7 ). I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Though it is not profitable, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. But the Bible speaks of but three heavens, and among the Jews in the apostolic ages also the heavens were divided into three: (1) The aerial, including the clouds and the atmosphere, the heavens above us, until we come to the stars. 0 Reviews. He was prohibited, however, from revealing what he saw and heard. (chapter 8) two springs in the third heaven, one of milk and the other of honey, along with two others of wine and oil, flow down into the garden of eden. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a . 12 It is [] doubtless not profitable for me to boast. Only the Third Heaven? The fact is, the Hebrew Scriptures to which proponents of this claim appeal nowhere show any awareness of the idea of a "third heaven." 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. The following is an excerpt from The MacArthur New Testament Commentary on 2 Corinthians 12 . 2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. W. I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. The second heaven the Hebrews described consisted of the universe as we know it. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12-13. 2 I know a man in Christ fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or outside the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven, 2 Corinthians 12:2 — New International Reader's Version, 1998 ed. 12:1-9). -2 Corinthians 12:2 Bible, King James Version (KJV) According to the Mormon Church there are three Kingdoms of Heaven, the Celestial, which is the highest, the Terrestrial and the Telestial the lowest. Paul speaks in the third person to show his . Putting this reference together with what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians, we discern that the third heaven, then, must refer to the location of the throne of God. Paul's readers would have understood the third heaven or paradise to be the dwelling place of God and of angels. Paul wrote that he was "caught up to the third heaven" ( 2 Corinthians 12:2 )—the celestial kingdom. Chapters 10-11. b. 12. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 In-Context. 2 Corinthians 12 NMB - Paul is taken up into the third heaven - Bible Gateway Paul is taken up into the third heaven and hears words not to be spoken of. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago (whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows) was caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago---whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows---such a man was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 "2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. : 2 Corinthians 12.1-10 and Heavenly Ascent. Although . 2 Corinthians 12. God can not live where sin is. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. This was either his physical body or an out-of-body experience; only God knows exactly which. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.. English Standard Version. He was immersed 2 weeks ago and we are helping equip him for the battle! In the next verse he calls the same place "paradise". Where in the Bible does Paul talk about going to heaven? English Standard Version Saul said: 'I know a man in union with Christ who, fourteen years ago was caught away to the third heaven, into paradise, and heard unutterable words which it is not lawful for a man to speak.' Apparently, Saul was talking about himself. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. Instead, God responded by telling Paul that God's strength is made perfect in weakness (2 Corinthians 12:9).

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